Comments on: Whinging about the OLPC’s lack of User-Centered Design again https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/ User Experience Design, Research & Good Old Fashioned Usability Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:16:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anthony Nguyen https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-7959 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:07:43 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-7959 I am doing a presentation on the OLPC, and ran across your page. I read all your reviews and found them very thoughtful and intriguing. I just feel that the UI leap from the Sugar to perhaps Windows shouldn’t be that monumental and wouldn’t cause too much of a stir. That isn’t the basis of my post, but just thought i’d give my two cents.

The basis is however, on the OLPC homepage, they listed that the educational money allocations should be spent on the XO, instead of the other factors. They are probably biased of course.

“Given the resources that poor countries can reasonably allocate to education—sometimes less than $20 per year per pupil, compared to the approximately $7500 per pupil spent annually in the U.S.—even a doubled or redoubled national commitment to traditional education, augmented by external and private funding, would not get the job done. Moreover, experience strongly suggests that an incremental increase of “more of the same”—building schools, hiring teachers, buying books and equipment—is a laudable but insufficient response to the problem of bringing true learning possibilities to the vast numbers of children in the developing world”

Supposedly “more of the same” is insufficient. hm, I don’t know if I can agree with that. I would give you the exact link, but I gotta do a presentation in 30 min!

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By: Harry https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-358 Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:03:55 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-358 Arek – I completely agree with you. All I am trying to say is that computers are just part of the solution.

Say a country has a certain budget for education. How should they portion it out? Exactly how much of it should be spent on computers given their current situation (whatever that is)? I think the risk is, they might be tempted to spend too much on the hugely impressive OLPC hardware and too little on the educational infrastructure needed to make it effective.

This decision needs to be weighed up very carefully, not headed into blindly. We should be helping them with it, not just trying to sell them our kit!

Read more about this kind of stuff at http://www.olpcnews.com

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By: Arek Stryjski https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-357 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:06:30 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-357 t a solution I agree. But top quality XX century education in XXI century is also not solution. In some countries people live like in XX century in USA/EU, There are countries with XIX century standards, and OLPC try to close this gap. Of course more is needed not only this. I'm from Poland. I got free quite good education from communist state in 80 and 90. I also made it and I'm now Software Architect in small company in UK. But what if I will have chance to learn IT and programing not when I was 21, but when I was 14 or even 7? Yes, not all this kids will work in IT, but if they will be doctors, or even work in tourist industry they will also need to learn ow to use computers. If you say children in Africa don't need to learn computers in XXI century, is like you will say to them in XX century: "You don't need to know how to drive a car." or "You don't need to learn chemistry". Of course you can do much more in education both in US and in Africa. But this is not a reason to criticize OLPC.]]> Computers aren’t a solution I agree. But top quality XX century education in XXI century is also not solution.

In some countries people live like in XX century in USA/EU, There are countries with XIX century standards, and OLPC try to close this gap. Of course more is needed not only this.

I’m from Poland. I got free quite good education from communist state in 80 and 90. I also made it and I’m now Software Architect in small company in UK.
But what if I will have chance to learn IT and programing not when I was 21, but when I was 14 or even 7?

Yes, not all this kids will work in IT, but if they will be doctors, or even work in tourist industry they will also need to learn ow to use computers.
If you say children in Africa don’t need to learn computers in XXI century, is like you will say to them in XX century: “You don’t need to know how to drive a car.” or “You don’t need to learn chemistry”.

Of course you can do much more in education both in US and in Africa. But this is not a reason to criticize OLPC.

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By: wayan https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-354 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:54:31 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-354 Harry,

You are correct, the OLPC’s are being sold all right, OLPC itself claims poverty. Most countries will have to either borrow directly for an OLPC purchase, or ask another country to donate either the laptops or the cash. Quanta, the ODM, can’t be paid in “warm & fuzzies”.

But you did get the equation wrong. Its OLPC’s + Kids + Miracle = Education. You can’t forget the miracle of “learing learning” in the absence of a dedicated teacher training program.

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By: Harry Brignull https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-352 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:11:25 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-352 Arek – basically the message is computers aren’t a solution, they should merely be part of a well considered educational programme. The great thing about educational programmes is that we have been doing them for centuries and there is a fair amount of knowledge about what has worked in the past.

Mike – ASFAIK the OPLCs are being SOLD to the governments of the developing countries. They are not being given away for free. so it’s nothing to do with the west pouring money anywhere. (I think – someone please correct me if I am wrong).

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By: Mike Hearn https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-351 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:44:14 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-351 Heh, I never said it was going to revolutionise education ;) I am only interested in the UI experiments part of it right now.

That said, just because previous IT projects failed to improve education, does not mean this one will. This is far, far from giving kids a copy of Word+Excel+PowerPoint and artificially forcing them into lessons. Even if the only thing OLPC does is act as an e-book reader, it’ll still have been worth it, but it has a lot more potential than just that.

It could easily crash and burn, but we’ll have to wait and see. Let’s be optimistic, seeing as it’ll happen anyway.

NB: “pouring money into teacher training” isn’t necessarily an option. Would foreign countries want random western organisations to train their teachers? Probably not. They’d probably want the money, so we’d give it to them, and then [a] the training would not be that good and [b] it might get embezzled anyway.

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By: Arek Stryjski https://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-350 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:17:46 +0000 http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2007/01/25/whinging-about-the-olpcs-lack-of-user-centred-design-again/#comment-350 I don’t understand. Is she saying what young people in countries where easy access to computers in schools and at home is NOT common are better educated when kids in USA?
I’m not talking about Africa, but Russia, China, Iran itp. What is evidence children in this countries are better educated, and better prepared for global market?

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